Comments on: Seditionist Creeps http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/seditionist-creeps/ falling indelibly into the past Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:18:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Francois Lachance http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/seditionist-creeps/#comment-395 Francois Lachance Sat, 20 May 2006 01:11:29 +0000 http://www.new.plannedobsolescence.net/?p=196#comment-395 <p>In rereading How Like A Leaf (an interview of Donna J. Haraway with Thyrza Nichols Goodeve) came across this reply to a question of cyborg ethics. It sounds preachy decontextualized. But what doesn’t? *smile* “[...] but not in a simplistic ‘I’m for it or against.’ You can’t have some simpleminded political heroics about resistance versus complicity. What has to happen is that literacies have to be encouraged, as well as many kinds of agency. Both literacy and agency aren’t things you have, but things you do.” </p> In rereading How Like A Leaf (an interview of Donna J. Haraway with Thyrza Nichols Goodeve) came across this reply to a question of cyborg ethics. It sounds preachy decontextualized. But what doesn’t? *smile* “[...] but not in a simplistic ‘I’m for it or against.’ You can’t have some simpleminded political heroics about resistance versus complicity. What has to happen is that literacies have to be encouraged, as well as many kinds of agency. Both literacy and agency aren’t things you have, but things you do.”

]]> By: Francois Lachance http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/seditionist-creeps/#comment-394 Francois Lachance Tue, 16 May 2006 14:35:11 +0000 http://www.new.plannedobsolescence.net/?p=196#comment-394 <p>Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest an en masse decamping for counter-culture isolation. I did mean to suggest that certain fashion markers make it easy to spot like minded souls. And thereby enjoy a feeling of being bouyed by the power of numbers. Of course fashion is cooptable (e.g. earings and men). There were/are aspects of the counter culture that were not just about dropping out. Tuning in and turning on, too! </p> <p> I thought more about moments where the admin failed to control the discourse. As an outsider, I have two in mind: (1) the aftermath of Katrina (2)the May Day Marches and the power of the power of ‘locutores’.  </p> <p> In short, the long view is supported by a memory of a long past. </p> <p> Just wanted to suggest that seeing the resistence reflected by the media is not the same as seeing the resistence. And furthermore the resistence may just look like civic duty. </p> <p> Plus we worry about one of our favourite bloggers getting into a deep deep funk. As they say in French: “Courage, mon amie, courage!” </p> Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest an en masse decamping for counter-culture isolation. I did mean to suggest that certain fashion markers make it easy to spot like minded souls. And thereby enjoy a feeling of being bouyed by the power of numbers. Of course fashion is cooptable (e.g. earings and men). There were/are aspects of the counter culture that were not just about dropping out. Tuning in and turning on, too!

I thought more about moments where the admin failed to control the discourse. As an outsider, I have two in mind: (1) the aftermath of Katrina (2)the May Day Marches and the power of the power of ‘locutores’. 

In short, the long view is supported by a memory of a long past.

Just wanted to suggest that seeing the resistence reflected by the media is not the same as seeing the resistence. And furthermore the resistence may just look like civic duty.

Plus we worry about one of our favourite bloggers getting into a deep deep funk. As they say in French: “Courage, mon amie, courage!”

]]> By: KF http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/seditionist-creeps/#comment-393 KF Tue, 16 May 2006 12:41:18 +0000 http://www.new.plannedobsolescence.net/?p=196#comment-393 <p>Wait, what?  The administration has talking points?  Talking points that it repeats?  And encourages others to repeat?  Regardless of context?  Instead of saying anything substantial?  Can’t be. </p> <p> We’ve got to stay the course!  He’s the right man at this critical moment in our nation’s history!  If the media continues speaking freely, the terrorists win! </p> <p> Why do you hate America, liz? </p> <p> (Francois, I’m still pondering your point.  Part of me wants to say yes, of course, you’re right, but part of me wants to say that if we all decamp for the counterculture, we wind up ceding the dominant culture to the Right—and end up where we are now, with a silenced majority being told that it’s out of step with the mainstream...) </p> Wait, what?  The administration has talking points?  Talking points that it repeats?  And encourages others to repeat?  Regardless of context?  Instead of saying anything substantial?  Can’t be.

We’ve got to stay the course!  He’s the right man at this critical moment in our nation’s history!  If the media continues speaking freely, the terrorists win!

Why do you hate America, liz?

(Francois, I’m still pondering your point.  Part of me wants to say yes, of course, you’re right, but part of me wants to say that if we all decamp for the counterculture, we wind up ceding the dominant culture to the Right—and end up where we are now, with a silenced majority being told that it’s out of step with the mainstream…)

]]> By: liz http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/seditionist-creeps/#comment-392 liz Tue, 16 May 2006 03:19:08 +0000 http://www.new.plannedobsolescence.net/?p=196#comment-392 <p>There has actually been much discussion today in the political blogosphere (yeah, I totally get paid to read about this stuff...rock) re: that ABC blog entry and the ensuing Bush-supportive comments.  The current theory, which I once would have dismissed as paranoid garbage but now accept as a matter of course, is that the administration is paying people to post comments such as those.  If you look at the language, it does look like some of those commenters are the same people, or at least posting from the same talking points. </p> There has actually been much discussion today in the political blogosphere (yeah, I totally get paid to read about this stuff…rock) re: that ABC blog entry and the ensuing Bush-supportive comments.  The current theory, which I once would have dismissed as paranoid garbage but now accept as a matter of course, is that the administration is paying people to post comments such as those.  If you look at the language, it does look like some of those commenters are the same people, or at least posting from the same talking points.

]]> By: Francois Lachance http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/seditionist-creeps/#comment-391 Francois Lachance Mon, 15 May 2006 20:34:21 +0000 http://www.new.plannedobsolescence.net/?p=196#comment-391 <p>Dear KF, </p> <p> How odd to read the question about the possibility of resistence afteer the entry on commencement exercises. I know there is some revolutionary appeal to frame the question in terms of resistence. Contestation is so sexy. Yet if one were to carry over the thoughts about graduating students into the future gaze, would one be able to focus upon civic behaviour? I mean is there a way of not only phrasing but thinking through the question of what is to be done in terms not only oppositional but also counter cultural. Yes this an appeal to the DIY ethic that was evident in ecological and other movements that flowered in the 70s (with roots in way back). I think of that classic text by Audre Lorde, “The Uses of the Erotic” and the passage about the master’s tools… </p> <p> Did a search of “despair” on the PlanOb blog. Came up with a mention in a comment to <br /> <a href="http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/index.php?/weblog/comments/snap_out_of_it/" rel="nofollow">http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/index.php?/weblog/comments/snap_out_of_it/</a> </p> <p> Surely there must be an alternative timeline of the last six years of the current administration that mark off the occasions where the “right” did not succeed in imposing its might. There’s got to be at least two such moments, non? </p> Dear KF,

How odd to read the question about the possibility of resistence afteer the entry on commencement exercises. I know there is some revolutionary appeal to frame the question in terms of resistence. Contestation is so sexy. Yet if one were to carry over the thoughts about graduating students into the future gaze, would one be able to focus upon civic behaviour? I mean is there a way of not only phrasing but thinking through the question of what is to be done in terms not only oppositional but also counter cultural. Yes this an appeal to the DIY ethic that was evident in ecological and other movements that flowered in the 70s (with roots in way back). I think of that classic text by Audre Lorde, “The Uses of the Erotic” and the passage about the master’s tools…

Did a search of “despair” on the PlanOb blog. Came up with a mention in a comment to

http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/index.php?/weblog/comments/snap_out_of_it/

Surely there must be an alternative timeline of the last six years of the current administration that mark off the occasions where the “right” did not succeed in imposing its might. There’s got to be at least two such moments, non?

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