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		<title>By: BT</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/ouch/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>BT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm...trying to retrace that academic brouhaha is a tricky one.&#160; It makes me think not just about the teaching relationship&#8212;the dance between performed authority and committed openness that so many of us have spent so much time on&#8212;but about the extreme intensification of the idea of &#8220;transparency&#8221; that I sometimes see as part of Net or Net-enabled culture.&#160; It makes me think of David Brin&#8217;s &lt;i&gt;Earth&lt;/i&gt;&#8212;which posited a society which carried this notion to interesting conclusions.
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It&#8217;s hard to disentangle the personalities and their positions at this remove, but (speaking from outside the tower, these days) it does appear that to overly emphasize the &#8220;gesture of withdrawl&#8221; as an ideologically significant one is to miss out on the notion of &#8220;withdrawl&#8221; as a human need.&#160; Must all forms of activity which touch upon the professional sphere be scrutinized for their contribution to/destabilization of hegemony?&#160; Or is that attitude itself &#8212;one which denies us the freedom to believe in our choices to share ourselves with the world in a variety of ways&#8212;one which confines us, rather than liberates us?
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But maybe I missed the point of it all.&#160; I&#8217;ll easily submit that I may have.
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A follow-up&#8212;why is it that the trolling of some...thing like &#8220;Bob&#8221; gets our goats?&#160; Even I felt the &#8220;ouch.&#8221;  It&#8217;s odd, since beyond the rudeness, the idiocy of the remark is plain, the insincerity of the &#8220;opinion&#8221; rendered even plainer: this particular toad wasn&#8217;t actually inconvenienced, but was happy to find an unexpected place to leave his slime.
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I guess it&#8217;s the act of rudeness itself that hurts, content aside; the notion that someone would pause and take the trouble to say something shitty.&#160; We invest ourselves in the agora, and then someone pisses in the fountain.&#160; It&#8217;s too bad that &#8220;Karma is a Boomerang&#8221; has been devalued by its appearance on a million coffeehouse tip-jars.&#160; It sums up what I more or less believe about the fate of toads.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;trying to retrace that academic brouhaha is a tricky one.&nbsp; It makes me think not just about the teaching relationship&#8212;the dance between performed authority and committed openness that so many of us have spent so much time on&#8212;but about the extreme intensification of the idea of &#8220;transparency&#8221; that I sometimes see as part of Net or Net-enabled culture.&nbsp; It makes me think of David Brin&#8217;s <i>Earth</i>&#8212;which posited a society which carried this notion to interesting conclusions.
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It&#8217;s hard to disentangle the personalities and their positions at this remove, but (speaking from outside the tower, these days) it does appear that to overly emphasize the &#8220;gesture of withdrawl&#8221; as an ideologically significant one is to miss out on the notion of &#8220;withdrawl&#8221; as a human need.&nbsp; Must all forms of activity which touch upon the professional sphere be scrutinized for their contribution to/destabilization of hegemony?&nbsp; Or is that attitude itself &#8212;one which denies us the freedom to believe in our choices to share ourselves with the world in a variety of ways&#8212;one which confines us, rather than liberates us?
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But maybe I missed the point of it all.&nbsp; I&#8217;ll easily submit that I may have.
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A follow-up&#8212;why is it that the trolling of some&#8230;thing like &#8220;Bob&#8221; gets our goats?&nbsp; Even I felt the &#8220;ouch.&#8221;  It&#8217;s odd, since beyond the rudeness, the idiocy of the remark is plain, the insincerity of the &#8220;opinion&#8221; rendered even plainer: this particular toad wasn&#8217;t actually inconvenienced, but was happy to find an unexpected place to leave his slime.
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I guess it&#8217;s the act of rudeness itself that hurts, content aside; the notion that someone would pause and take the trouble to say something shitty.&nbsp; We invest ourselves in the agora, and then someone pisses in the fountain.&nbsp; It&#8217;s too bad that &#8220;Karma is a Boomerang&#8221; has been devalued by its appearance on a million coffeehouse tip-jars.&nbsp; It sums up what I more or less believe about the fate of toads.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/ouch/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2003 14:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Welcome back, KF!
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Sometimes I wonder if people don&#8217;t try to stir things up just out of boredom. There&#8217;s not much substance, imo, to the criticisms of Liz&#8217;s call for a private conversation about these issues, and the person/people who started the criticisms don&#8217;t seem to have much to contribute in their follow-up comments beyond vague instructions to &#8220;Think about...&#8221; certain things they&#8217;ve already said.
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Ok, whatever.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back, KF!
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Sometimes I wonder if people don&#8217;t try to stir things up just out of boredom. There&#8217;s not much substance, imo, to the criticisms of Liz&#8217;s call for a private conversation about these issues, and the person/people who started the criticisms don&#8217;t seem to have much to contribute in their follow-up comments beyond vague instructions to &#8220;Think about&#8230;&#8221; certain things they&#8217;ve already said.
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Ok, whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/ouch/#comment-2124</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#8217;s the lack of linkage that gets me, I guess. As if it&#8217;s perfectly okay for the fearless critic to annoy you with a thoughtless (and ill-informed) spot of abuse, but heaven forbid you should actually have the ability to respond in a way that will reach them. (Writing about it on your blog doesn&#8217;t help much, because they&#8217;ve already made it clear they won&#8217;t be back.)
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It does have echoes of the professor/student debate you&#8217;ve linked in this post, particularly George&#8217;s last comment. We&#8217;re putting ourselves out here (putting ourselves out, here; putting ourselves &lt;i&gt;out here&lt;/i&gt;) - even if it&#8217;s not every day or in every possible way, because sometimes it just doesn&#8217;t work out that way - and some anonymous blob interprets it as an infringement on their space, or feels they&#8217;re entitled to something else, or that webloggers should keep in their place and only write about one narrow subject so as not to taint those precious Google searches.
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But yes, this certainly predates the online world. Used to get similar anonymous morsels in response to student newspaper articles. The comments box just makes it easier.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the lack of linkage that gets me, I guess. As if it&#8217;s perfectly okay for the fearless critic to annoy you with a thoughtless (and ill-informed) spot of abuse, but heaven forbid you should actually have the ability to respond in a way that will reach them. (Writing about it on your blog doesn&#8217;t help much, because they&#8217;ve already made it clear they won&#8217;t be back.)
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It does have echoes of the professor/student debate you&#8217;ve linked in this post, particularly George&#8217;s last comment. We&#8217;re putting ourselves out here (putting ourselves out, here; putting ourselves <i>out here</i>) - even if it&#8217;s not every day or in every possible way, because sometimes it just doesn&#8217;t work out that way - and some anonymous blob interprets it as an infringement on their space, or feels they&#8217;re entitled to something else, or that webloggers should keep in their place and only write about one narrow subject so as not to taint those precious Google searches.
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But yes, this certainly predates the online world. Used to get similar anonymous morsels in response to student newspaper articles. The comments box just makes it easier.</p>
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		<title>By: KF</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/ouch/#comment-2123</link>
		<dc:creator>KF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#8217;s certainly something about anonymity that allows for such rudeness&#8212;note Bob&#8217;s lack of linkage.&#160; It&#8217;s a lot harder to look someone in the face and tell him he&#8217;s a moron than it is to do so in disembodied, nameless text.
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Of course, even masked and linkless posters leave IP address footprints, so anonymity only goes so far.
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But I think there is something particular about the blog as a form that invites such responses; the author puts herself forward as sufficiently interesting subject matter (whether strictly autobiographical or memoirish or not) to warrant reading, and then&#8212;literally&#8212;opens the floor to comments.&#160; One can imagine that, if there were such a comment function built into the writings of Dave Eggers (to take a not-so-random example), similar rudeness might ensue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s certainly something about anonymity that allows for such rudeness&#8212;note Bob&#8217;s lack of linkage.&nbsp; It&#8217;s a lot harder to look someone in the face and tell him he&#8217;s a moron than it is to do so in disembodied, nameless text.
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Of course, even masked and linkless posters leave IP address footprints, so anonymity only goes so far.
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But I think there is something particular about the blog as a form that invites such responses; the author puts herself forward as sufficiently interesting subject matter (whether strictly autobiographical or memoirish or not) to warrant reading, and then&#8212;literally&#8212;opens the floor to comments.&nbsp; One can imagine that, if there were such a comment function built into the writings of Dave Eggers (to take a not-so-random example), similar rudeness might ensue.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/ouch/#comment-2122</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;inspire&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt;
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/ouch/#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, Bob sure showed how long she devoted to that search.
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What is it about weblogs that inspire such rude responses? Do these people turn on others mid-conversation and say, &#8220;I wanted a critique of planned obsolescence &#38; Capitalism and instead you&#8217;re talking about your travel trips. I have to say conversation with other people merely clutters my massive brain up with even more narcissistic crap. Please disappear in a few months as your obsolescence becomes apparent. Mother.&#8221;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Bob sure showed how long she devoted to that search.
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What is it about weblogs that inspire such rude responses? Do these people turn on others mid-conversation and say, &#8220;I wanted a critique of planned obsolescence &amp; Capitalism and instead you&#8217;re talking about your travel trips. I have to say conversation with other people merely clutters my massive brain up with even more narcissistic crap. Please disappear in a few months as your obsolescence becomes apparent. Mother.&#8221;</p>
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