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		<title>By: KF</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/on-education-blogs-and-other-ranting/#comment-2117</link>
		<dc:creator>KF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rats.&#160; I just lost a beautiful comment that I&#8217;d spent ages composing&#8212;the ages I spent composing it might tell you something about my nervousness in the face of this issue.
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The short version of the message was this:&#160; Welcome.&#160; Thanks for posting.&#160; I&#8217;m really glad you&#8217;re here, and I&#8217;m sorry if I gave you the impression otherwise.
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The longer version, which I&#8217;ll try to reconstruct:&#160; We (and by this I mostly mean professors, though I&#8217;m sure the students have a similar line of conversation) talk a good bit here about the periodic sensation that we&#8217;re living in a fishbowl&#8212;that every move one makes here is immediately visible, either to one&#8217;s students or to one&#8217;s colleagues&#8212;a sensation that took me quite a long time to get used to, having moved here from the relative anonymity of the big city and the big U.&#160; Five years on, though, I have adjusted&#8212;and you&#8217;re right, Jake, to remind me of the million small daily acts of self-censorship that have become so natural to me as to be almost invisible.
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But there&#8217;s something about the web in general, and the blog in particular, that lends itself to paranoia; the technology allows for a kind of voyeurism, in that I can be seen, but I can often only see the IP footprints of those who&#8217;ve been through here.&#160; Knowing that there are pomona.edu readers, but having no sense of who they are, just heightens that fishbowl-effect a bit.&#160; Of course, the point of the blog is its publicness&#8212;otherwise, I could just keep these thoughts safely on my own computer&#8212;but I guess I haven&#8217;t quite adjusted (as you seem to have, Claire, and admirably, it sounds) to the idea that I&#8217;m being read by people who actually know who I am.
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If my post carried a bit more tension or aggression or condescension than it ought to have, I&#8217;m really sorry for that; the tone is an aftereffect, I think, of the origins of the concerns, in the flaming of another blogging prof who suggested that she wasn&#8217;t comfortable with discussing the ethics of professor-student relationships in a public space.&#160; I certainly don&#8217;t think of myself as your &#8220;superior,&#8221; except in the obvious ways that age, education, and position make inevitable.
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The bottom line is this:&#160; I&#8217;m glad you both posted.&#160; I hope you&#8217;ll stick around.&#160; I hope more students will join the conversation.&#160; And I hope I&#8217;ll get over my nervousness about the relationship between my professor persona and my online persona&#8212;and that it won&#8217;t take me five years to do it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rats.&nbsp; I just lost a beautiful comment that I&#8217;d spent ages composing&#8212;the ages I spent composing it might tell you something about my nervousness in the face of this issue.
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The short version of the message was this:&nbsp; Welcome.&nbsp; Thanks for posting.&nbsp; I&#8217;m really glad you&#8217;re here, and I&#8217;m sorry if I gave you the impression otherwise.
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The longer version, which I&#8217;ll try to reconstruct:&nbsp; We (and by this I mostly mean professors, though I&#8217;m sure the students have a similar line of conversation) talk a good bit here about the periodic sensation that we&#8217;re living in a fishbowl&#8212;that every move one makes here is immediately visible, either to one&#8217;s students or to one&#8217;s colleagues&#8212;a sensation that took me quite a long time to get used to, having moved here from the relative anonymity of the big city and the big U.&nbsp; Five years on, though, I have adjusted&#8212;and you&#8217;re right, Jake, to remind me of the million small daily acts of self-censorship that have become so natural to me as to be almost invisible.
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But there&#8217;s something about the web in general, and the blog in particular, that lends itself to paranoia; the technology allows for a kind of voyeurism, in that I can be seen, but I can often only see the IP footprints of those who&#8217;ve been through here.&nbsp; Knowing that there are pomona.edu readers, but having no sense of who they are, just heightens that fishbowl-effect a bit.&nbsp; Of course, the point of the blog is its publicness&#8212;otherwise, I could just keep these thoughts safely on my own computer&#8212;but I guess I haven&#8217;t quite adjusted (as you seem to have, Claire, and admirably, it sounds) to the idea that I&#8217;m being read by people who actually know who I am.
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If my post carried a bit more tension or aggression or condescension than it ought to have, I&#8217;m really sorry for that; the tone is an aftereffect, I think, of the origins of the concerns, in the flaming of another blogging prof who suggested that she wasn&#8217;t comfortable with discussing the ethics of professor-student relationships in a public space.&nbsp; I certainly don&#8217;t think of myself as your &#8220;superior,&#8221; except in the obvious ways that age, education, and position make inevitable.
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The bottom line is this:&nbsp; I&#8217;m glad you both posted.&nbsp; I hope you&#8217;ll stick around.&nbsp; I hope more students will join the conversation.&nbsp; And I hope I&#8217;ll get over my nervousness about the relationship between my professor persona and my online persona&#8212;and that it won&#8217;t take me five years to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/on-education-blogs-and-other-ranting/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do I still count if I am no longer your student? At any rate, I don&#8217;t read this to bother or restrict you, nor to gain insight into the mind of a purported superior or whatever similar assertion one might make, but just because I am interested in the subjects in which you are interested. I probably wouldn&#8217;t have found it without the real life connection, but that&#8217;s not really relevant, especially now that I don&#8217;t see you at breakfast every day.
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&lt;p&gt;More generally, do you think you censor yourself any differently here than you do in the classroom? Obviously there are things you are not likely to say to a freshman intro class that you might say to a small seminar of interested seniors, but aside from that I think there&#8217;s a certain filter that separates one&#8217;s interactions with one&#8217;s friends from interactions with colleagues and acquaintances (and students), regardless of the medium used. As far as I can tell, which is not far of course, PO is just a more focused opportunity for you to explore the issues and concepts that interest you most, both personally and academically - not a diary type blog.&lt;p&gt;That said, the interaction of &#8220;real life&#8221; and the internet always kind of creeps me out, regardless of circumstances. I wonder if that will still be true in 5 years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I still count if I am no longer your student? At any rate, I don&#8217;t read this to bother or restrict you, nor to gain insight into the mind of a purported superior or whatever similar assertion one might make, but just because I am interested in the subjects in which you are interested. I probably wouldn&#8217;t have found it without the real life connection, but that&#8217;s not really relevant, especially now that I don&#8217;t see you at breakfast every day.<br />

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<p>More generally, do you think you censor yourself any differently here than you do in the classroom? Obviously there are things you are not likely to say to a freshman intro class that you might say to a small seminar of interested seniors, but aside from that I think there&#8217;s a certain filter that separates one&#8217;s interactions with one&#8217;s friends from interactions with colleagues and acquaintances (and students), regardless of the medium used. As far as I can tell, which is not far of course, PO is just a more focused opportunity for you to explore the issues and concepts that interest you most, both personally and academically - not a diary type blog.</p>
<p>That said, the interaction of &#8220;real life&#8221; and the internet always kind of creeps me out, regardless of circumstances. I wonder if that will still be true in 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/on-education-blogs-and-other-ranting/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;:slips in between the crickets:.
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I&#8217;m here, although, as my dorm Internet connection is presently about as functional as a hole in the wall, a bit late.&#160; I&#8217;ve been reading here since I found the link from your college-hosted homepage.&#160; I find the entries both thought-provoking and useful in a more functional sense (ie, &#8220;she says she&#8217;s been in her office, so she&#8217;s clearly not in England any more and maybe now would be a good time to drop by and grab my paper.")  I also like gaining more glimpses into what college life looks like from the other side, so to speak.&#160; As a child of faculty, I have some idea of what it must be like as a teacher, but the unfortunate side effect of this is that I tend to project my father&#8217;s views of college onto most professors until I learn otherwise.&#160; Hearing other perspectives helps me stop doing this.
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I&#8217;m not really willing to call my online journal a weblog, since that particular term seems to imply writing for the purpose of addressing the world at large, rather than writing for one&#8217;s self that happens to be on the Internet because it&#8217;s more convenient for accessing from multiple locations that way.&#160; I&#8217;m still faintly confused that anyone except for a few good friends would find my journal interesting enough to read.&#160; Still, it wouldn&#8217;t change at all if I knew a professor was reading it, any more than it&#8217;s changed because I know my parents both read it or because I know random strangers read it.&#160; It&#8217;s undeniable that its contents are quite different from anything I&#8217;d write in a private paper journal, but that&#8217;s been true from the first post.
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I&#8217;m here, although, as my dorm Internet connection is presently about as functional as a hole in the wall, a bit late.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve been reading here since I found the link from your college-hosted homepage.&nbsp; I find the entries both thought-provoking and useful in a more functional sense (ie, &#8220;she says she&#8217;s been in her office, so she&#8217;s clearly not in England any more and maybe now would be a good time to drop by and grab my paper.&#8221;)  I also like gaining more glimpses into what college life looks like from the other side, so to speak.&nbsp; As a child of faculty, I have some idea of what it must be like as a teacher, but the unfortunate side effect of this is that I tend to project my father&#8217;s views of college onto most professors until I learn otherwise.&nbsp; Hearing other perspectives helps me stop doing this.
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I&#8217;m not really willing to call my online journal a weblog, since that particular term seems to imply writing for the purpose of addressing the world at large, rather than writing for one&#8217;s self that happens to be on the Internet because it&#8217;s more convenient for accessing from multiple locations that way.&nbsp; I&#8217;m still faintly confused that anyone except for a few good friends would find my journal interesting enough to read.&nbsp; Still, it wouldn&#8217;t change at all if I knew a professor was reading it, any more than it&#8217;s changed because I know my parents both read it or because I know random strangers read it.&nbsp; It&#8217;s undeniable that its contents are quite different from anything I&#8217;d write in a private paper journal, but that&#8217;s been true from the first post.</p>
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		<title>By: KF</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/on-education-blogs-and-other-ranting/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>KF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2003 07:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;***crickets***
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