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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s the End of the Buffyverse as We Know It</title>
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		<title>By: Francois Lachance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois Lachance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;KF, 
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Wondering if the same feeling is generated by the finishing of a book or a series of novels (especially genres such as mystery or fantasy)?
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Joanna Russ has an essay in _Magic Mommas, Trembling Sisters, Puritans &#38; Perverts_ about fans writing stories with the Spock and Kirk characters. Makes me think if there will not be Buffy blogs ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KF,
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Wondering if the same feeling is generated by the finishing of a book or a series of novels (especially genres such as mystery or fantasy)?
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Joanna Russ has an essay in _Magic Mommas, Trembling Sisters, Puritans &amp; Perverts_ about fans writing stories with the Spock and Kirk characters. Makes me think if there will not be Buffy blogs &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pretty good, actually.&#160; I guess here&#8217;s where we diverge:&#160; while I totally agree with your &#8220;change the paradigm&#8221; argument, I just thought that Joss&#8217;s control of his own universe unraveled.&#160;  
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I think these were a few of my thoughts after the episode:
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Deus Ex Machina?&#160; Hey Spike.&#160; Blink and burn baby, you&#8217;re a hero.&#160; See you on Angel.
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Timing?&#160; Hey Willow.&#160; Let&#8217;s not bother casting that nifty, long-term effects spell &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; we open this party up.&#160; Let&#8217;s try it &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; when we throw the first punch.&#160; Why be smart when we can be exciting?
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Consistency?&#160; Hey Buffy.&#160; You must be losing your touch.&#160; Just &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; of these uber-vamps killed half your SiTs and kicked your butt from here to Hawaii. Good thing Andrew&#8217;s around to dust a few of them now.&#160; Thanks, Dawn, for picking up big sis&#8217;s slack.&#160; Giles - mate, you have a wicked stakehand for an older gent.&#160; Thanks though, Buff, for learning how to dodge and block half way through season 7.&#160;   
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I knew I had blogged about it though (&lt;a href="http://misc.wordherders.net/archives/000160.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://misc.wordherders.net/archives/000160.html&lt;/a&gt;), so I went back to see what I wrote and the following summarizes it pretty nicely:&#160; ìThe episode excelled, however, in that I finally felt like I saw a gleam of the old characters I had come to love - the humor, the mutual respect, the &#8220;That was nifty&#8221; understatements far outweighed the battle sequence in my mind.î  The rest of that post has a bunch of rants and thoughts on the seasonÖ
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So, ìthe suckî?&#160; I was probably being a little harsh.&#160; It just always breaks my heart when a fairly carefully constructed universe just falls apart in the end.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good, actually.&nbsp; I guess here&#8217;s where we diverge:&nbsp; while I totally agree with your &#8220;change the paradigm&#8221; argument, I just thought that Joss&#8217;s control of his own universe unraveled.&nbsp;
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I think these were a few of my thoughts after the episode:
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Deus Ex Machina?&nbsp; Hey Spike.&nbsp; Blink and burn baby, you&#8217;re a hero.&nbsp; See you on Angel.
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Timing?&nbsp; Hey Willow.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s not bother casting that nifty, long-term effects spell <i>before</i> we open this party up.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s try it <i>right</i> when we throw the first punch.&nbsp; Why be smart when we can be exciting?
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Consistency?&nbsp; Hey Buffy.&nbsp; You must be losing your touch.&nbsp; Just <i>one</i> of these uber-vamps killed half your SiTs and kicked your butt from here to Hawaii. Good thing Andrew&#8217;s around to dust a few of them now.&nbsp; Thanks, Dawn, for picking up big sis&#8217;s slack.&nbsp; Giles - mate, you have a wicked stakehand for an older gent.&nbsp; Thanks though, Buff, for learning how to dodge and block half way through season 7.&nbsp;
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I knew I had blogged about it though (<a href="http://misc.wordherders.net/archives/000160.html" rel="nofollow">http://misc.wordherders.net/archives/000160.html</a>), so I went back to see what I wrote and the following summarizes it pretty nicely:&nbsp; ìThe episode excelled, however, in that I finally felt like I saw a gleam of the old characters I had come to love - the humor, the mutual respect, the &#8220;That was nifty&#8221; understatements far outweighed the battle sequence in my mind.î  The rest of that post has a bunch of rants and thoughts on the seasonÖ
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So, ìthe suckî?&nbsp; I was probably being a little harsh.&nbsp; It just always breaks my heart when a fairly carefully constructed universe just falls apart in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: KF</title>
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		<dc:creator>KF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oy.&#160; Jason, you &lt;i&gt;stab&lt;/i&gt; me in my &lt;i&gt;heart&lt;/i&gt;.
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Seriously, the suck?&#160; I&#8217;m stunned.&#160; The major thing that I thought was wrong with the last episode was that it wasn&#8217;t two hours long; really, it should have been.&#160; Every moment in the thing ran at double-speed, and if they just could have taken their time&#8230;
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But what I liked:&#160; there was honestly no good way to end the series, and yet it ended exactly as it should have.&#160; How do you end it, really?&#160; Buffy defeats the forces of evil, once and for all?&#160; Totally unbelievable; we all know the world we live in, and it&#8217;ll never work.&#160; Buffy defeats the forces of evil, for now, but they&#8217;re bound to come back?&#160; So in other words, the series doesn&#8217;t &lt;i&gt;end&lt;/i&gt; so much as &lt;i&gt;stop&lt;/i&gt;.&#160; Ick.&#160; Buffy dies?&#160; Been there, done that.&#160; (Twice.)
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No&#8212;there needed to be some real change in the paradigm, if you&#8217;ll forgive my using that word, something that completely changed the rules.&#160; Not just good winning, not just evil winning, but some radical rewriting of the landscape.&#160; And what had Buffy ever wanted in the series more than just to be a &lt;i&gt;girl&lt;/i&gt;, like every other girl, not to have to be &lt;i&gt;the one&lt;/i&gt;?&#160; And what more had every (female, perhaps) Buffy fan wanted than to vicariously experience that coming-into-slayerdom, that sense that she didn&#8217;t have to take it, whatever the &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt; was that she was taking, that she could &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; something, be powerful, change the world?&#160; What better outcome, to let Buffy off the hook, to give her (female) fans a rush of at least potential empowerment, and to massively undermine the patriarchal paradigm (yes, I know, again) than to make every potential slayer actual?
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Oh, and along the way:&#160; Spike&#8217;s sacrifice, the return of Angel and Faith, the awesome power of Willow.&#160; There were a million things wrong with the final season, and I wasn&#8217;t sorry, in the long run, to see it end&#8212;but that had everything to do, for me, with the wholly satisfying conclusion.
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How&#8217;s that?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy.&nbsp; Jason, you <i>stab</i> me in my <i>heart</i>.
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Seriously, the suck?&nbsp; I&#8217;m stunned.&nbsp; The major thing that I thought was wrong with the last episode was that it wasn&#8217;t two hours long; really, it should have been.&nbsp; Every moment in the thing ran at double-speed, and if they just could have taken their time&#8230;
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But what I liked:&nbsp; there was honestly no good way to end the series, and yet it ended exactly as it should have.&nbsp; How do you end it, really?&nbsp; Buffy defeats the forces of evil, once and for all?&nbsp; Totally unbelievable; we all know the world we live in, and it&#8217;ll never work.&nbsp; Buffy defeats the forces of evil, for now, but they&#8217;re bound to come back?&nbsp; So in other words, the series doesn&#8217;t <i>end</i> so much as <i>stop</i>.&nbsp; Ick.&nbsp; Buffy dies?&nbsp; Been there, done that.&nbsp; (Twice.)
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No&#8212;there needed to be some real change in the paradigm, if you&#8217;ll forgive my using that word, something that completely changed the rules.&nbsp; Not just good winning, not just evil winning, but some radical rewriting of the landscape.&nbsp; And what had Buffy ever wanted in the series more than just to be a <i>girl</i>, like every other girl, not to have to be <i>the one</i>?&nbsp; And what more had every (female, perhaps) Buffy fan wanted than to vicariously experience that coming-into-slayerdom, that sense that she didn&#8217;t have to take it, whatever the <i>it</i> was that she was taking, that she could <i>do</i> something, be powerful, change the world?&nbsp; What better outcome, to let Buffy off the hook, to give her (female) fans a rush of at least potential empowerment, and to massively undermine the patriarchal paradigm (yes, I know, again) than to make every potential slayer actual?
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Oh, and along the way:&nbsp; Spike&#8217;s sacrifice, the return of Angel and Faith, the awesome power of Willow.&nbsp; There were a million things wrong with the final season, and I wasn&#8217;t sorry, in the long run, to see it end&#8212;but that had everything to do, for me, with the wholly satisfying conclusion.
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How&#8217;s that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;m as big a Buffy fan as the next bibliophile, but &#8220;extraordinarily well-done ending&#8221;?
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I thought it was, as the kids say these days, &#8220;the suck.&#8221;  I&#8217;m certainly willing to entertain other perspectives though - what did you like about the ending?&#160; 
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For the record, lest I sound overly negative, I think the most beautiful moment in the last few episodes was when Andrew and Anya were joyfully playing with the wheelchairs ... it was then that I knew that Anya was not long for this world, and that lost moment of joy was mixed with a deep - and well evoked - sorrow.
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As far as Angel, I was starting to worry about a downturn, but this recent Puppet episode made me really wish the show would live on&#8230;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as big a Buffy fan as the next bibliophile, but &#8220;extraordinarily well-done ending&#8221;?
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I thought it was, as the kids say these days, &#8220;the suck.&#8221;  I&#8217;m certainly willing to entertain other perspectives though - what did you like about the ending?&nbsp;
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For the record, lest I sound overly negative, I think the most beautiful moment in the last few episodes was when Andrew and Anya were joyfully playing with the wheelchairs &#8230; it was then that I knew that Anya was not long for this world, and that lost moment of joy was mixed with a deep - and well evoked - sorrow.
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As far as Angel, I was starting to worry about a downturn, but this recent Puppet episode made me really wish the show would live on&#8230;</p>
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