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	<description>falling indelibly into the past</description>
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		<title>By: Matt K.</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/in-the-interim/#comment-1837</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, that certainly sounds like something I want to read, and I&#8217;m disappointed I&#8217;ll have to wait just a little while longer to do so. Kathleen, you might be interested in a piece I wrote a while back on David Carson&#8217;s graphic design, where I make a similar kind of argument about print&#8217;s conspicuous representations of its own demise:
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&lt;a href="http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/kirsch.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/kirsch.html&lt;/a&gt;
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It&#8217;s really just a conference paper but it&#8217;s something I&#8217;d like to get back to one of these days, hopefully with the benefit of your critical text at hand.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that certainly sounds like something I want to read, and I&#8217;m disappointed I&#8217;ll have to wait just a little while longer to do so. Kathleen, you might be interested in a piece I wrote a while back on David Carson&#8217;s graphic design, where I make a similar kind of argument about print&#8217;s conspicuous representations of its own demise:
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<a href="http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/kirsch.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/kirsch.html</a>
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It&#8217;s really just a conference paper but it&#8217;s something I&#8217;d like to get back to one of these days, hopefully with the benefit of your critical text at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: KF</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/in-the-interim/#comment-1836</link>
		<dc:creator>KF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I of course completely agree with you, Matt.&#160; But it does seem as though we&#8217;re not going to be able to make the break with the old, crumbling system of scholarly publishing and move to a new, functional system without a few sacrificial lambs along the way.
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That&#8217;s not terribly clear&#8212;let me try again.&#160; There are a few fields in which this publishing paradigm-shift might be possible today, including (perhaps) your own:&#160; folks out on the edge of the study of electronic textuality might be able to forge a new system of peer-review and publishing that would serve the field well, because the nature of the field itself has produced a kind of consensus that electronic publication is a viable, respectable mode.&#160; In fact, the forging of such a system would itself be an important scholarly project in that field.&#160; And all of this would work in part because you (by which I mean &#8220;one") could safely assume that your peers would find and take seriously and read and cite a project published in such a fashion.
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I, alas, am writing about the ostensible death of print &lt;i&gt;for scholars who are still attached to the print form&lt;/i&gt;, arguing (however ironically it now appears) that print is neither dead nor dying, but instead using representations of its death-throes as a vehicle for its continuance.&#160; In order for the argument to work in some fundamental fashion, it&#8217;s got to appear in print.
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Not to mention, of course, that the folks in my field&#8212;however narrowly one must define it in order to distinguish it from yours&#8212;are pretty unlikely to (1) find, (2) take seriously, and (3) cite an electronically-published text, no matter how it carries the markers of its peer-review process.&#160; So however much I&#8217;d like to be involved in the forging of that new system, I could only do so by sacrificing the viability of my text as a player in my field.
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Demoralizing.&#160; In order to get out from under the collapsing old system, one has to be brave enough to imagine, build, and support a new system.&#160; But all of our current standards of success are based around that old system, and leaving it behind appears to be a form of career suicide.
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If the suck-o-meter is indeed analog (thanks for that, Jason!), the needle&#8217;s swung way over into the red&#8230;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I of course completely agree with you, Matt.&nbsp; But it does seem as though we&#8217;re not going to be able to make the break with the old, crumbling system of scholarly publishing and move to a new, functional system without a few sacrificial lambs along the way.
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That&#8217;s not terribly clear&#8212;let me try again.&nbsp; There are a few fields in which this publishing paradigm-shift might be possible today, including (perhaps) your own:&nbsp; folks out on the edge of the study of electronic textuality might be able to forge a new system of peer-review and publishing that would serve the field well, because the nature of the field itself has produced a kind of consensus that electronic publication is a viable, respectable mode.&nbsp; In fact, the forging of such a system would itself be an important scholarly project in that field.&nbsp; And all of this would work in part because you (by which I mean &#8220;one&#8221;) could safely assume that your peers would find and take seriously and read and cite a project published in such a fashion.
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I, alas, am writing about the ostensible death of print <i>for scholars who are still attached to the print form</i>, arguing (however ironically it now appears) that print is neither dead nor dying, but instead using representations of its death-throes as a vehicle for its continuance.&nbsp; In order for the argument to work in some fundamental fashion, it&#8217;s got to appear in print.
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Not to mention, of course, that the folks in my field&#8212;however narrowly one must define it in order to distinguish it from yours&#8212;are pretty unlikely to (1) find, (2) take seriously, and (3) cite an electronically-published text, no matter how it carries the markers of its peer-review process.&nbsp; So however much I&#8217;d like to be involved in the forging of that new system, I could only do so by sacrificing the viability of my text as a player in my field.
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Demoralizing.&nbsp; In order to get out from under the collapsing old system, one has to be brave enough to imagine, build, and support a new system.&nbsp; But all of our current standards of success are based around that old system, and leaving it behind appears to be a form of career suicide.
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If the suck-o-meter is indeed analog (thanks for that, Jason!), the needle&#8217;s swung way over into the red&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K.</title>
		<link>http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/in-the-interim/#comment-1835</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like Jason says, that sucks. But you&#8217;re caught in the cogs of a crumbling system, Kathleen (we all are). Having secured the glowing readers&#8217; reports, why shouldn&#8217;t you publish those, along with the full text of the project online (where it would get a much wider readership)?
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In fact I completely understand why that&#8217;s not realistic, and I&#8217;m not seriously advocating it. Nor am I suggesting that we all become our own online publishers, at least not unless that&#8217;s part of a continuum of different options. But the point is, the system&#8217;s broken and it&#8217;s time we got busy fixing it. What ought to count is peer review and scholarly merit, not the physical form in which the text is ultimately delivered.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Jason says, that sucks. But you&#8217;re caught in the cogs of a crumbling system, Kathleen (we all are). Having secured the glowing readers&#8217; reports, why shouldn&#8217;t you publish those, along with the full text of the project online (where it would get a much wider readership)?
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In fact I completely understand why that&#8217;s not realistic, and I&#8217;m not seriously advocating it. Nor am I suggesting that we all become our own online publishers, at least not unless that&#8217;s part of a continuum of different options. But the point is, the system&#8217;s broken and it&#8217;s time we got busy fixing it. What ought to count is peer review and scholarly merit, not the physical form in which the text is ultimately delivered.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry to hear about the manuscript Kathleen.
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And while it&#8217;s certainly good and appropriate to recognize that you do have things going well in your life (healthy family, tenure, etc.), it&#8217;s also fine to realize that &#8220;suck&#8221; is an analog rather than a digital scale.
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And academic publishing woes certainly register on the scale of suck.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about the manuscript Kathleen.
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And while it&#8217;s certainly good and appropriate to recognize that you do have things going well in your life (healthy family, tenure, etc.), it&#8217;s also fine to realize that &#8220;suck&#8221; is an analog rather than a digital scale.
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And academic publishing woes certainly register on the scale of suck.</p>
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